Do 120Hz HDTV images look 'fake' ?


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Since we were the "first on the block" to get our HDTV back around 2000, it's about time to think about replacing it - it's had major service twice in the last 2 years, and i'm afraid it's days are numbered.. So I've been looking at all the fancy new HDTV's and options and was comparing the regular 60hz units to the 120Hz ones. As i understand it, since TV (or HDTV) is transmitted at ~60Hz, a 120hz TV has to interpolate (make up) the extra images. They are supposed to look better and have less motion-blur.

So, in comparing a few 120Hz HDTV's during some casual shopping I watched a few minutes of "Rush Hour" on one 120Hz TV and an old Beatles movie on another. The thing that struck me was that movies on the 120Hz TV's looked like they were "video" - you know how a TV commercial looks different from a movie? Well, these movies were so bright and crisp, they had that "video" look. I didnt like it - it made the movies look fake or plastic. I tried to get my shopping partner (ehem, self proclaimed 'the geek') and she had no idea what I was talking about, and could not see any difference - but the difference was like black-and-white to me.

Does anyone have a 120Hz HDTV or looked at them at the stores? Am I crazy or do you know what i'm talkin'bout?

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HDTV images look fake
Go to screen setting and change your back light to 100% that worked for me.
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Re: Do 120Hz HDTV images look 'fake' ?

Just got a 60" Vizio & my daughter was the 1st to say it looked fake. Took me awhile to see what she was talking about, but once I noticed it, I kept seeing it and it is driving me crazy. My old 42' Pioneer Elite plasma monitor never had this issue. I remember they made a big deal of stating it played at the same frame specs as film. I'm tempted to take this new one back (that should get the manufacturer's attention)until they can figure this problem out correctly. Since I am running this on component cables at the moment, I am wondering if the HDMI cable will improve anything. I'm also noticing a fairly significant disparity between the video and the audio. Reminds me if the old foreign movies where the lips are moving about a minute after you hear what they are saying.

Still trying to decide if this not so smart tv will go back into its box....

The Pioneer Elite has a great picture. Only 720, but lately, it takes about 5 minutes for it to warm up. (whole other issue)

Yuriy (not verified)
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Hi everyone. Just found the solution. Go to settings and disable function "TRUE MOTION" done. Now movies looks like movies.
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I just got the Vizio E502AR " Smart TV. SOOOOOO not liking this weird soap opera look. Does anyone know what settings I need to change to get that regullar film effect? Thanks!
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vizio 70" 120/1080. Love the apps and whilst streaming the netflix, the picture looks TOO real. kinda trippy. I can't figure out if I like it or not. I know it looks so real that some of the 'movie magic', escapism or emersion if you will, seems to be missing, but the 120H is like its own different type of 'magic'. Strange dayz... Can't wait to peeps some football on this beast. G E A you X T I G E R S !
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Re: Do LCD HDTV images look 'fake' ?

Well after 12 years, we finally replaced that old 3-foot thick HDTV with a new 70" 3-inch thick Sharp Aquos LED/LCD TV and yes, when we turned it on and everything, including movies/films looked fake - like Soap Operas!

It wasn't as easy to get rid of the fake 'video' look (you have to see it to understand) as I thought - but after some googling and reading I was able to adjust-out most of the "soap opera" look by turning off several of the "automatic" or "enhancing" settings, and adjusting some of the standard sharpness/contrast controls. Sometimes when watching a 1080P BluRay it will look a bit "vidoe'ee" but still way better than with the default settings.

And that baby looks way better mounted on the wall than that old 3-foot thick box on the floor!

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i absolutely know what you are saying. My parents just got a new tv and I keep saying why does it look so fake. I was just searching the internet for the answer. We were watching Indiana jones and it looked so strange. It must have to do with the 60 and 120 Hz I need to research more.
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Re: Do 120Hz HDTV images look 'fake' ?

I ran into this again the other day at a TV showroom.. I have learned since originally making this post that this is called the "soap opera effect" because it makes a movie/film look like a soap opera (that live/video'why feel) .. and yes, it is from the 60hz to 120 interpolation.

Thankfully you can turn it ("it" being 120Hz or 'interpolation') off on most, if not all of the new 120Hz TV's.

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Yeah, if the signal going in isn't synced at 120 then it does have to "guess" at what would be between the gaps and that could cause some lag or "strange" picture look/feel. It can even cause a feeling kinda like seasickness.

On the upnote, if you do have a 120hz signal like from a bluray player or satellite HD signal, it is SOOOOO much more crisp and there is almost no motion blur. Pluse the color quality is much better.


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Re: Do 120Hz HDTV images look 'fake' ?

it's that "crisp" that looks 'fake' to me when watching a filmed movie.

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yeah. Its tough because even though it looks really sharp, its almost like it turns a movie in to a cartoon. Like the lines are TOO good for this to be real.

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We saw the same thing with our new 120-hz Samsung... we turned off the "Auto Motion Plus" feature and it looks much better now. Funny though to pay a bunch for new technology and turn it off! Hubby intends to turn the feature back on to watch sports.

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hello how do you turn off auto motion plus please let me know thank you
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I just bought a 120-hz Samsung with "Auto Motion Plus" as well. The fake look was driving me crazy. Thanks for the tip about turning off the Motion Plus, much better now.

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no you arent crazy. My girlfriend cant tella difference either. it DOES look like a documentary..but i have a 37'' viseo 1080p...I do not know how to change the htz. but yes. it is night and day difference.

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haha 37''
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I know what you are talking about. I recently purchased a HDTV and am having the same problems - all the movies look like documentaries instead of movies. The layers of filtering and lighting effects the film makers use is stripped away and the "magic" of the movie is gone. I am hoping there are some settings I can play with to change this. I am still researching it.

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Just turn off any motion blur. That should do the trick.
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Re: Do 120Hz HDTV images look 'fake' ?

Get the 240 hz Sony Bravia XBR. Trust me, it's the best looking one out there right now. No matter what the guy at best buy tries to say. I did a lot of research and you can't beat the color/engine/etc (do some research on the true color stuff).. not to mention it syncs with so much stuff like PS3's etc.

http://www.sonystyle.com/

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