Rock Music vs. Metal Music

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PinkJammies
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Rock Music vs. Metal Music

I know the origins of rock music come from the US but can anyone tell me the origins of metal? I heard it's from the UK. Like Ozzy, is he classified under rock or metal?

Wonderland
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the term "heavy metal" was supposedly used to describe Led Zeppelin's music. (which i love, love, love by the way).  and they are regarded as one of the first, if not first, heavy metal bands.  even though they often have a bluesy sound.  So i'd say UK.

 

 

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PinkJammies
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I grew up listening to Zeppelin, were they British? Jimi Hendrix is classified under metal but I know he's was from the US.

Wonderland
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ya those boys are from England...i recently saw robert plant perform.  he's still so damn cool.

 

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Anonymous Visitor
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I would say that Judas Priest really defined Heavy Metal with their album Stained Class with its simplified yet tight & speeded up guitar riffs.Previous to this album I would have called them Heavy Progressive,although you could argue that their previous album Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather (you.S. release) was the starting point which was a mixture of the new Metal sound & Heavy Progressive.These albums I would say were the most influencial on the NWOBHM anyway.The heavy progressive sub-genre (Uriah Heap,Black Sabbath) generally stripped away most of the blues elements from Heavy rock (mainly blues based) although you could argue that the Detroit rock scene (Kiss) were also doing
some time before,although generally slower & a more commercial appeal as well in the mix[The Detroit garage rock (which is Punk rock major influence) as well as Acid Rock were also important in forming the Metal sound].Judas Priest gave it more intensity.Priest are often included within NWOBHM but were formed around 1970 but their Stained Class album was the for runner to the genre.

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iamthedevil
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VH1 did a really good 4 part "history of metal" a year or two ago.

I always figured the first real metal band was Black Sabbath. Part of the 'metal sound' was due to an injury the guitar player had on his hand, that forced him to do something different with the guitar strings. Zeppelin and Sabbath were often compared to each other, but the 'heavier' sound and darker tone of Sabbath's lyrics set them apart. Led Zeppelin is my second most fav band (after Metallica), but I'd call them rock over metal easily. Hendrix is great but he's even less metal than Zeppelin.

Wonderland
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VH1 did a really good 4 part "history of metal" a year or two ago.

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i saw that, it was good.

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even less metal than Zeppelin.

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that statement doesn't even register in my head, my devilish pal...

i know that Zeppelin loves the blues.  and sometimes even sound bluegrass.  but they definitely fall into the metal category...page can play metal with the best of 'em and plant can sing scream it right alongside him.

 

"Lately it occurs to me- what a long, strange trip it's been..."

And no-one sings me lullabies...And no-one makes me close my eyes...And so I throw the windows wide...And call to you across the sky

Vash the Stampede
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mmmm zeplins not metal,  more hard rock.  even below hendrix wasnt metal.  he was a blues man.  more like acid rock.

Wonderland
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they're not metal compared to what metal became...but once upon a time...and that's what i look at.  for their day they were.  and they have been an inspiration to many a metal band.  they helped bring that along with all the other early day 'metal' bands. 

no i wouldn't classify hendrix as metal either, definitely not.

 

"Lately it occurs to me- what a long, strange trip it's been..."

And no-one sings me lullabies...And no-one makes me close my eyes...And so I throw the windows wide...And call to you across the sky

PinkJammies
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Ok, Hendrix falls under psychedelic rock or acid rock. Was that kind of the punk rock revolution? Now I know that started in the UK with the Clash and Ramones.

Wonderland
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i'd give the term psychedelic rock more to a band like Cream and early Floyd...

hmm..punk rock...i'd say that originated more from garage bands...

oh and The Ramones are from my neck of the woods (they're actually from the neighborhood where i am right this very minute)...punk was established in both the UK and the US

 

"Lately it occurs to me- what a long, strange trip it's been..."

And no-one sings me lullabies...And no-one makes me close my eyes...And so I throw the windows wide...And call to you across the sky

PinkJammies
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Ok, so metal is american blues influenced British rockers?

iamthedevil
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Yeah, to go back to your original question- I'd say metal originated in the UK.

PinkJammies
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Thankee Thankee, I won a bet.

Vash the Stampede
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metal in america is often credited to the New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

Vash the Stampede
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Sabbath was originally a not so successful blues band named Earth.  in high school, Ozzy was an underclassmen that the rest of the band members used to enjoy picking on.

Sabbath guitarist Tony Iommi is often credited for writing every heavy guitar riff known in the metal world, and he did it all with only two fingers.  when working at a factory he lost the tips of his middle and ring finger.  he would play with leather thimbles and tune his guitar down to C# for less string tension on his fingers and which also gave Sabbath its signature evil sound.

iamthedevil
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I knew one of you guitar playing guys would remember the details better than I would...

horrorshow75
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Unfortunately the are so many sub divisions of each genre - Heavy Metal, Black Metal, Thrash Metal, Punk Rock, Hard Rock, Classic Rock, etc, the list could go on forever. So the question is quite broad. However i will throw out to words that helped put heavy metal (at least) on the map.

Iron Maiden. One of the best metal bands ever and yes they are from the UK.

Wonderland
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Iron Maiden rocks and are definitely heavyweights in the metal genre.

 

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And no-one sings me lullabies...And no-one makes me close my eyes...And so I throw the windows wide...And call to you across the sky

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