Rock Music vs. Metal Music


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I know the origins of rock music come from the US but can anyone tell me the origins of metal? I heard it's from the UK. Like Ozzy, is he classified under rock or metal?

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Re: Rock vs. Metal

Try mapofmetal.com

Generally, it came from Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer. Classic Bands like such.
It later evolved into more extreme stuff, things you've probably never heard of, Incorporating vast varieties of instruments ranging from keyboards, brass sections, orchestras, wind instruments, etc. etc..
These are things none of the above bands ever really tempted to care for, being US born and being so far behind in the music compared to Europe didn't help much - this excludes Maiden.

Now, ALL ABOVE MENTIONED BANDS, are not considered REAL metal now, however pioneers of HEAVY METAL. Which is more or less Mainstream now. Metal has stemmed heavily into a pond of genres, each pulling different influences; that being said, Almost ALL of these genres have mixed with one another at some point, spawning their very own "sub-genre".

Newer, real metal bands, have developed the ability to strain the voice, and use it as a whole new distorted vocal instrument, producing various sounds ranging from caveman grunts to squeals. RESEARCH 'GROWLING', 'VOCAL FRY' or 'SCREAMING' for more.

Most GOOD, and I say good in the sense of well structured and well composed music, has come from Europe.
I HIGHLY suggest looking up the band TOOL, they're an amazing rock/progressive/metal band aswell as Porcupine tree; this will smoothen the transition if you're exploring metal.

Genres with bands

Heavy Metal - Megadeth, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Ozzy.
Melodic Death Metal - In Flames, Insomnium, Kalmah (Swamp Metal), Wintersun (Winter)..
Death Metal - Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, Morbid, Celtic Frost.
Black Metal - Mayhem, Skagos, Valterra, Arthemesia.
Blackened Death Metal - Vesania, Behemoth.
Neo-Classical - Children of Bodom, Yngwie Maalmsteen.
Blackened Classical - Mirrothrone.
DJENT - Messhugah, Periphery, Vildjharta, Tesseract.
Folk Metal - Ensiferum, Finntroll, Equilibrium.
Viking Metal - Ancestral, Amon Amarth.
Winter Metal - Wintersun, Starborn.
Swamp Metal - Kalmah.

Every band generally pulls their own local influence or clearly incorporates famous influences.

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Meh... rock... metal... all the effing same basically.  Different eq and gain settings on guitar amps and maybe some more palm mutes and extra hairspray with metal.  Chord wise... I, IV, V ... the same.

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Vash has it right pretty much

Sabbath was the first strait metal band around, and it was their sound that shaped what the genre of metal would become. Sorry to disagree with some of you here but Zeppelin is not a metal band, they're a hard rock/blues band. Thats not a knock on them at all, they're arguably the best band ever and certainly the most influential rock band ever but they're sound is not the same as what sabbath had brought out. They're much more pure blues based and they had taken stuff that was already around , only to a whole new and much better level, whereas no one really sounded like Sabbath before them. Thank god for both though, two of the best bands of all time and without them we woulnd't have most of the stuff we like to listen to now

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Zeppelin and Sabbath were both regarded as heavy metal bands for their time.  both bands were into the heavy blues and rock sound.  they both developed the metal sound of loud music and those long drawn out guitar solos.  but Sabbath went to a whole other level with the sound.  but Zeppelin was most definitely a part of the heavy metal movement when it was starting out...

side note- both bands also formed around the same year.  and both bands are awesome. 

 

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Vash the Stampede (not verified)
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ones metal because of the music, the other is metal because they spanked people with sharks!!!  lmao!

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*shakes head* was that ever proven?

i still stand behind what i said.  Led Zeppelin rocks regardless of what category anyone wants to put them in.  woot!

 

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Vash the Stampede (not verified)
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yup led zeppelin is one the best bands of all time.

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Unfortunately the are so many sub divisions of each genre - Heavy Metal, Black Metal, Thrash Metal, Punk Rock, Hard Rock, Classic Rock, etc, the list could go on forever. So the question is quite broad. However i will throw out to words that helped put heavy metal (at least) on the map.

Iron Maiden. One of the best metal bands ever and yes they are from the UK.

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Iron Maiden rocks and are definitely heavyweights in the metal genre.

 

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VH1 did a really good 4 part "history of metal" a year or two ago.

I always figured the first real metal band was Black Sabbath. Part of the 'metal sound' was due to an injury the guitar player had on his hand, that forced him to do something different with the guitar strings. Zeppelin and Sabbath were often compared to each other, but the 'heavier' sound and darker tone of Sabbath's lyrics set them apart. Led Zeppelin is my second most fav band (after Metallica), but I'd call them rock over metal easily. Hendrix is great but he's even less metal than Zeppelin.

Vash the Stampede (not verified)
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Sabbath was originally a not so successful blues band named Earth.  in high school, Ozzy was an underclassmen that the rest of the band members used to enjoy picking on.

Sabbath guitarist Tony Iommi is often credited for writing every heavy guitar riff known in the metal world, and he did it all with only two fingers.  when working at a factory he lost the tips of his middle and ring finger.  he would play with leather thimbles and tune his guitar down to C# for less string tension on his fingers and which also gave Sabbath its signature evil sound.

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I knew one of you guitar playing guys would remember the details better than I would...

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iamthedevil wrote:

VH1 did a really good 4 part "history of metal" a year or two ago.

i saw that, it was good.

iamthedevil wrote:

even less metal than Zeppelin.

that statement doesn't even register in my head, my devilish pal...

i know that Zeppelin loves the blues.  and sometimes even sound bluegrass.  but they definitely fall into the metal category...page can play metal with the best of 'em and plant can sing scream it right alongside him.

 

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Vash the Stampede (not verified)
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mmmm zeplins not metal,  more hard rock.  even below hendrix wasnt metal.  he was a blues man.  more like acid rock.

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Ok, so metal is american blues influenced British rockers?

Vash the Stampede (not verified)
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metal in america is often credited to the New Wave of British Heavy Metal.

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Yeah, to go back to your original question- I'd say metal originated in the UK.

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Thankee Thankee, I won a bet.

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they're not metal compared to what metal became...but once upon a time...and that's what i look at.  for their day they were.  and they have been an inspiration to many a metal band.  they helped bring that along with all the other early day 'metal' bands. 

no i wouldn't classify hendrix as metal either, definitely not.

 

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Ok, Hendrix falls under psychedelic rock or acid rock. Was that kind of the punk rock revolution? Now I know that started in the UK with the Clash and Ramones.

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i'd give the term psychedelic rock more to a band like Cream and early Floyd...

hmm..punk rock...i'd say that originated more from garage bands...

oh and The Ramones are from my neck of the woods (they're actually from the neighborhood where i am right this very minute)...punk was established in both the UK and the US

 

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the term "heavy metal" was supposedly used to describe Led Zeppelin's music. (which i love, love, love by the way).  and they are regarded as one of the first, if not first, heavy metal bands.  even though they often have a bluesy sound.  So i'd say UK.

 

 

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I grew up listening to Zeppelin, were they British? Jimi Hendrix is classified under metal but I know he's was from the US.

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Wonderland
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ya those boys are from England...i recently saw robert plant perform.  he's still so damn cool.

 

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I would say that Judas Priest really defined Heavy Metal with their album Stained Class with its simplified yet tight & speeded up guitar riffs.Previous to this album I would have called them Heavy Progressive,although you could argue that their previous album Killing Machine/Hell Bent for Leather (you.S. release) was the starting point which was a mixture of the new Metal sound & Heavy Progressive.These albums I would say were the most influencial on the NWOBHM anyway.The heavy progressive sub-genre (Uriah Heap,Black Sabbath) generally stripped away most of the blues elements from Heavy rock (mainly blues based) although you could argue that the Detroit rock scene (Kiss) were also doing
some time before,although generally slower & a more commercial appeal as well in the mix[The Detroit garage rock (which is Punk rock major influence) as well as Acid Rock were also important in forming the Metal sound].Judas Priest gave it more intensity.Priest are often included within NWOBHM but were formed around 1970 but their Stained Class album was the for runner to the genre.

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