Military type question / trivia

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Military type question / trivia

When a military person refuses to follow an unlawful order (because the orders are illegal or immoral) - what is that act of refusal called, or how is it referred to? OR - what does the person say as the reason for not following the unlawful order (like, the equvilent of "i plead the fifth") ..

hope this question makes sense ..

 

 

   

   

Gunner
Re: Military type question / trivia

 ok... that sounds like some serious [email protected] hubby...

uhmm Im not sure how to answer that one for you.

You can google the UCMJ-- in there you will find all the charges you can be charged with.  but honestly I hav never heard of anyone being charged with not obeying a unlawful- order.

 

But it would probally (sp)  fall under mutiny or dereliction of duty 

 

 

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hubby
Re: Military type question / trivia

 dont worry, me or no one i know is in any trouble.. i'm just trying to remember the term to talk about it at work - when someone refuses to do what their supervisor tells them because they know it's wrong, will result in losses, etc.

I seem to recall that all soldiers get training on the UCMJ and the Geneva Convention - and in that training they are taught about not carrying out unlawful orders - and there's a name or a term for it..  It's late, and i'm tired, but i'm sure they refer to it a certain way and i just cant remember what/how.. 

 

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Hot2na
Re: Military type question / trivia

it's called: ballsy!

 

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PatO7
Re: Military type question / trivia

perhaps disavow

hubby
Re: Military type question / trivia

no..

it's something along the lines of "conscious objector", "plausible deniability", "i plead the fifth" .. you exorcise your moral judgment and don't follow the order.. it's the exorcising your moral judgment that the term is based on.

arrgg.. it's almost at the tip of my tongue - i just cant think of how they refer to it.. or.. maybe i'm just crazy.

animestrinity
Re: Military type question / trivia

 insubordination?

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animestrinity
Re: Military type question / trivia

 or maybe moral objection?

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Where are my La-La's at?!

Green
Re: Military type question / trivia

conscientious objection:

conscientious objectors have been executed, imprisoned, or otherwise penalized when their beliefs led to actions conflicting with their society's legal system or government. The legal definition and status of conscientious objection varies through the years and from nation to nation. Religious beliefs were a starting point in many nations for legally granting conscientious objection status.

 

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hubby
Re: Military trivia

 nope.. the term i thought i was looking for had to do with specifically not following an unlawful order.

 

hubby
Re: Military type question / trivia

 after Googling for the last hour (before and after making this post) the closest reference I could find to what I thought  i was looking for was;

"if you are given an order that is illegal, it is your legal obligation to violate that order and inform the chain of command."

I just thought there was a term for when you do this (aka, "i plead the fifth")..

This is Hubby's wilting brain getting old...

 

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